Was it Worth It?

Today I would like to talk a little about painting. The question I would like to raise is how much painting is worth it? We see pics all of the time of the Heavy Metal Team and others who obviously spend hours/days painting every single model. I ask is it worth spending that much time on every model for the everyday guy.

 My first instinct is no, I might spend a lot of time painting certain models like this guy. but there is no way i am spending nearly that much time on non character models. I might spend an hour or two on average model, that is more than enough time to clean assemble, base coat and get several good layers and maybe a layer of wash, or a highlight. thats it.

 For me I am more interested in playing the game than making sure my models look amazing. So there is no way you can convince me to spend more time on my normal troops. Even playing against other people in an actual GW store has done very little to boost my desire on spending more time on said models.

 I love how this model turned out and would gladly do it again. In fact I will be spending more time on this lovely guy. and i think it is worth it but like i said minimal effort on the bulk of the army. I want to get my army ready to fight, not ready to go on parade.

 so for me its all about a judicial use of my time and effort. I have limited time and a limited care-ability. I will spend more time on armies and units that i play a lot. if i just get a model or unit or army because i felt like it I wont paint that much of it.

so in the end it depends. I understand the appeal of making a beautiful model, but its not for me. I would love to hear your opinions on to paint or not to paint; admit it you knew that was coming.

Comments from the Peanut Gallery

Hello internets, I know it has been a while but hopefully you will take me back

I am going to spend this post adding my comments to Bob's post like the lazy sob I am.

As I have said before I have been out of the game for a while, so I didn't have the last high elf book, however like Bob my first army was the high elves, but I dont love them that much anymore. I dont know anything about the lore updates or changes, except it seems that they always get less and less with each version. However one thing I noticed that was interesting that I personally didnt know before was the implication of the Witch King causing division in the elves before he tried to walk through some fire. But anyway.

A few general points on the army list. Why take silver helms? for the cost the dragon princes are better and worth the 6pts increased cost imo. Then also I have trouble valiadating cav in this army. Elves are an army of balance, if you dont have it you probably wont win. You need to win every phase to win the game. Movement, yours guys are 5s vs everybody 4s. Magic, once again imo the elves get to much of a boost and should win this phase easy if you take a high level mage or 2 2s. Shooting, the elves should win this too with cheaper bolt throwers and new sisters. Combat, here there is so much goodness to be had i dont know what to choose. Because of how expensive the army is by the time I get what I like in the army it is already too big and cant win a fight. So because of points I have a difficult time justifying a dragon prince over a swordmaster, I could go into all types of numbers but i wont. So I have found myself with a completely infantry army because of how many good choices the elves have. The phoenixes are the main hanging point, i cant decide if i like them or not. Do i like them enough to drop a block of inf in an already small army? Will they do enough damage to justify the points or are they just the cannon magnets for this army. I cant decide but I am taking one, I am going with the fire one because of points, coming back to life (especially with a dead rider) and the model itself. The frost phoenix is the corniest looking model i have seen from gw. Those snow flakes made me say no. On other models: phoenix guard look awesome, griffons suck model wise (see empire squatting chicken if you need anymore proof) dont like dragon prince models, reminds me of blood knights from vampire counts, especially all in red as the are often depicted. Sisters look ok, shadow warriors I like the 'faceless' masks but overall the models make me a little uncomfortable. white lions look pretty cool but i never fielded them so i dont have an expert opinion on them. Still dont like the dragon launching off the rock look. and I will go ahead and say i really dont like any aspect of the skycutters, enough said there.

I will say I am surprized they didnt add any monsterous cav, and i can here you over the bandwidth NO i didnt read much of the rumor mill so i was expecting gw to remain to form and give the high elves some questionable new unit of heavy cav. my money was on white lions on big ass white lions or dragon princes on drakes/small dragons. I can also say i am extremely surprized in the number of magic items they have. more than 6 woohooo. it actually takes the 3 pages to get them all on there, and if you count the everqueen options that another 1/4 of a page or about how much other armies have.

Further on the sea helm, first off stupid name you already have SILVER HELMS no need to get confusing, and the only reason to take this way over priced model, worse than noble but more expensive, is for the reform as Bob mentioned but if you are taking him for that you are taking him because you are planning on getting charged in the flank or rear, so taking him for me equals planning to fail. annointed of assuryan only reason to take is for the phoenix and the +1 on coming back to life. loremaster is way to expensive to use in combat, and is too good at combat to sit back and cast spells. so for plus 45 pts you can buy a worse mage, or for plus 90pts you can buy a worse fighter. you can equip your prince with a great weapon heavy armor and a 15pt talisman and have a better fighter for 60ish points less. so a no to the loremaster. handmaiden yes, stick her in the sisters unit stick them on an edge and have them shoot up all the small units trying to flank you, and against the bad guys the -2 to armor is nothing to sneeze at. enough to take a +1 to +3 armor, and failing on a 1 AND a 2 is a lot better than just a 1.

The Fury of the Asur

For those who may not have guessed the subject of this post from the title I am going to be talking about the newest edition of the High Elves for Warhammer Fantasy. The children of Ulthuan have a very special place in my heart as they were the first army I started collecting way back in the mists of time (aka 2002). I have consistantly enjoyed playing them and collecting them and that certainly hasn't changed with the launch of the new book. So without further blathering lets take a look at the lore and unit background sections of the book.

So for the lore section of the book we get a brief intro to who the High Elves are and some of their ancient history. Not much new here so lets get right into the section with new information. Up next is a description of the ten realms of Ulthuan as well as a few text boxes highlighting some notable locations on the island. Most of the provinces get some additions to their history and character, most notably Ellyrion, Cothique, and Caledor. Following up on the heels of the ten realms is a much expanded section detailing the events of the reigns of all the Phoenix Kings. Interspersed in this section are text boxes detailing Elven mortuary practices and some interesting information about the realm of the Elven gods and what happens to the souls of the Elves after death. Being someone who enjoys the lore of the game I found this section very enjoyable. Of course the current Phoenix King, Finubar the Seafarer, gets the most attention and is the subject of a much more detailed history and new additions to the more "current" lore (i.e. stuff that happens leading up to the Great Chaos War and after). I won't go into much detail here but suffice to say that the High Elves get some love as far as being shown to kick some major ass outside of Ulthuan. I would have to say that The Sack of Marienburg and The Shadow of Nagashizzar are my favorite entries.





Alright so lets hit the next section and finish out on the army list. After the lore sections comes The Glittering Host part of the book (i.e. the unit backgrounds). First off we come to the army special rules. Martial Prowess is now army wide so expect an extra rank of attacks from almost all models in the army now. Valor of Ages is also still included. Lileath's Blessing, formerly something confined to the lore of mages, is now a tangible benefit in the form of +1 to casting attempts for High Magic. Fireborn is an interesting new addition as it provides models with this rule a 2+ ward against flaming attacks. Ithilmar barding remains the same and the Lion Cloak stays the same except for a clarification that it only works against non magical shooting. Dragon Armour gets a little bump in the form of a 6+ ward and the Fireborn rule. Lastly we come to my favorite addition, Arrows of Isha and the Bow of Avelorn. Both of these apply to the new Sisters of Avelorn unit making them a S4, magical, flaming, volley firing, -1 to armor saves against units from the Forces of Destruction unit of awesome. The range of 24" on the bow isn't ideal but makes for an awesome support unit.

Such an odd pose

Really not much has changed on the previously established units. Gone is Speed of Asuryan and in it's place we have army wide Always Strikes First. Loremasters  of Hoeth make an interesting addition to the army in the capacity of a magic wielding hero version of a Swordmaster (aka a bad ass) He gets to wear heavy armor and knows all of the signature spells of the eight lores of magic. I will be picking one up for sure. Oh I almost forgot, Swordmasters now have a 6+ ward against shooting attacks. The new hero unit for the Sea Guard, the Sea Helm, is an okay addition. His Naval Discipline rule allows for a free reform on a passed leadership test as a charge reaction (assuming you didn't elect to Stand and Shoot, or Flee). While this could be very useful under certain circumstances it sort of defeats the purpose of the Sea Guard having bows to Stand and Shoot. The new Skycutter chariot isn't really anything special in my humble opinion. The army already has things to fill this role better.

Meh

Next up is the Sisters of Avelorn and their hero character the Handmaiden of the Everqueen. Old gamers will recognize the Handmaiden from back in the day. As stated earlier, the Sisters are my favorite unit addition. The have good stats for shooting and sticking a Handmaiden in the unit gives them Quick to Fire. The new Anointed of Asuryan is a very mediocre addition. Basically the only reason to take one would be as a rider for a phoenix or if you really want a unit to be Immune to Psychology and have a 6+ ward, so meh. Now as per every other army the Elves have a something big and monsterous and on a chariot base in the form of two kinds of phoenix. Now I won't go into too much detail on these units as much of their info has been discussed in White Dwarf and across the net. Personally I like both varieties of phoenix and will likely pick up one of each. Lastly we come to characters. Most everyone stays the same (except Teclis who got hit with the nerf bat a bit). The inclusion of the Everqueen is an interesting choice lore wise. She has a character back in the day then she stayed home for two editions of the book. This new version of her is worth picking up in my opinion. She is very much a magical support character with the ability to mix and match spells from the lores of Life, Light, and High Magic in any combination of two of the lores. Taking her also opens up two magic items that are pretty good.

My favorite new unit

Lets round this post out with a discussion of the army list, magic items, and High Magic. Army list wise we generally see a reduction in unit points across the board as a general theme. Bolt throwers get the largest single reduction at a whopping 30 points. Force Organization wise we see Silver Helms and Reavers moving to Core. Special remains largely the same and Rare gets the two phoenixes and the Sisters. Character mount options now include Tiranoc Chariots, Great Eagles, and Griffons with the two birds having upgrade options of various flavors. High Magic gets a whole bunch of renamed spells and changes.

First of all the lore attribute grants a stackable ward save for the caster and the unit he/she is in. We also get two signature spells in the form of Drain Magic and Soul Quench. Drain Magic is pretty handy to have. It basically ends any Remains in Play spells on a unit or, when boosted, all units within 18". Soul Quench is basically Fury of Khaine but with a boost option. All of the spells are useful. Apotheosis is a healing spell, Hand of Glory is a stat boost, Walk Between Worlds is now pretty awesome as it makes the unit Ethereal until the end of phase and allows it to make a move up to 10". Tempest is a AoE S3 template hit that causes a -1 To Hit modifier on a unit it wounds. Arcane Unforging basically blows up a magic item and Fiery Convocation is basically Flames of the Phoenix without a strength increase per turn. Lastly in the magic items section we have most of the popular items making a return (i.e. Blade of Leaping Gold, Star Lance, Book of Hoeth, and the Banner of the World Dragon) with various tweaks to them. The two new additions are the Shield of the Merwyrm and Moranion's Wayshard. The Shield bumps a models parry save to 4+ if he/she isn't using a two handed weapon and the Wayshard grants the Ambushers special rule and to a unit of Archers or Spearmen up to 30 strong.

So what do I think of the book over all? It is very solid with some nice changes. The new units are really hit or miss for me overall. The magic is pretty sweet and army wide Martial Prowess is awesome. I would have liked to see a slightly larger point drop in Spearmen and Sea Guard but that isn't that big of a deal weighed against the whole. Before I sign off I want to talk very briefly about the Uniforms and Heraldry book that also came out.

 As a lore nerd and someone with a background in historical wargamming I love that GW is publishing these books. I wish every army that it could be applied to, Fantasy and 40K, should get one of these. The one for the High Elves gives a greatly expanded selection of runes and their meaning as well as a look at the hierarchy of the Elven gods. Each realm of Ulthuan as well as the defensive gates gets a section showing uniforms and heraldry as does the Phoenix Guard and Swordmasters. Several notable regiments are highlighted for possible recreation as well. My one big complaint about the book is that the faces of the Elves look god awful, especially the Sisters of Avelorn. If that was the quality they were shooting for I would have much preferred only the uniforms to be presented.

Alright folks, cheers and happy gaming!!